Kaitlyn Walls was a new graduate from Howard University with high hopes of being a screenwriter, but life had other plans. After being unexpectedly fired from her first post-grad job, she pondered about entrepreneurship.
Today, Kaitlyn is a Brand Strategist + Web Designer for her company, Four Walls Studio. She’s been inspired to help others because of her own journey with entrepreneurship and branding, and she’s on a mission to help soul-led women in biz tap into their innate expertise through energetically aligned branding so they can create more impact on a greater scale.
Kaitlyn’s website: https://fourwallstudio.com
Jessmyn:
Welcome to Interact’s Creator Stories Podcast. Interact is the easiest way to convert curious people into loyal and happy customers by using a lead generating quiz. On Creator Stories, we get to hear the entrepreneur’s journey. This is a podcast about how those creators took their knowledge and experiences to carve out a place in the world, owned what they know is special about themselves, and turned it into a successful company. Today, we’re hearing from Kaitlyn Walls, a brand strategist and web designer for her company Four Wall Studio. She helps soul led women in biz tap into their innate expertise through energetically aligned branding so they can create more impact on a greater scale. All right, let’s get started.
Hi guys. And welcome back to Interact’s Creator Stories. As you know, joining me today is Kaitlyn Walls. Kaitlyn, thank you so much for being on our show with us. I’m super excited to chat.
Kaitlyn:
Thank you for having me. I’m really excited as well.
Jessmyn:
Of course. So we gave everybody a little bit of a snippet of who you are and what you do at Four Wall Studio. But can you go ahead and jump right in? Tell us a little bit more about you and your business, and then take us back to the beginning. How did you get started in all of this?
Kaitlyn:
Sure. So my name is Kaitlyn as Jessmyn just said, and I’m a brand strategist and web designer and I help soul centered women entrepreneurs tap into their innate expertise through energetically aligned branding so they can create more impact on a greater scale. So essentially what I help women do is get to the core as to who they are the essence of them, as well as both the essence of their business as well. And I helped find a really unique way to combine the two, that way their brand also feels like them, but it also connects with their audience and with their ideal clients as well. And then, their innate expertise is really just like their God given talent, the thing they were born to do. How can I help them tell the stories to compel people, to essentially join their community? That’s really pretty much what it is.
It’s like, there’s strategy, there’s design, there’s web design, but at the core, it’s really just getting to know who they are and translating that into messaging and translating that into a design as well. And how I got started, so from the very beginning, so I graduated from college in 2018 and I studied television and film. And at the time, I wanted to be a screenwriter if you know Shonda Rhimes, who did the Thursdays where it’s like How To Get Away With Murder, Scandal, all those different shows.
Jessmyn:
Yeah.
Kaitlyn:
I wanted to be just like that because I’ve always had a love for writing. I’ve always had a passion for it. But after I graduated, I was like, okay so the idea would probably be to move to New York or to move to LA. And I was just like, I had already been to New York and I wasn’t a fan. I hadn’t been to California or LA, but I was like, maybe not. And so, I decided to try to find a job in social media because in college I had internships in social media. So I was like okay, this is my background, let me go ahead and do that. So I did end up finding a job about three months after I graduated as a social media manager and unexpectedly two months into that job, I got let go. It was super random. And then one day I just got an email saying, “Hey, this is no longer a position that you’re in”.
And I was like, okay, that’s cool. So I tried to do the nine to five. I was on Indeed. I was applying, applying, applying, and I’m from Maryland. So if you know about the East Coast, it gets very cold and I do not drive. And so, that would mean I have to take the Metro and the bus to get to work. And that wasn’t ideal for me. And to be honest, I really don’t don’t know why I had the idea to start a business. I think I was just like okay, well I’m living at home with my mom and dad and my roommate. And then, I have nothing to lose. So I was just like, okay, well I’m going to try to do a social media business. And so I did that. I started that in, I believe, January. And it went really well.
I had gotten clients and everything using Upwork, but then after that, I didn’t feel like I was super connected to it and then I also didn’t feel like it was for me. And so, I had a design background a little bit. I had learned design in college towards the end. And so I was like okay, maybe I could try to do design. And so then, I pivoted about September of, I think 2019. And I started doing a little bit of graphic design and then 2020, I completely rebranded from my previous social media to be a brand strategist and web designer to where my focus really became strategy end design. So that was a little bit of my journey, quick tid bit.
Jessmyn:
I love that. No, that’s super interesting though, because it’s crazy how you went from something completely different. You were like, I’m going to be a screenwriter, I’m going to do film. And then, you got into online business, helping entrepreneurs online. So it sounds like you didn’t plan this. It just happened on its own, right? I guess, what was that like falling into this, but do you still feel like oh, I want to be a screenwriter? Was that something that you were like, this is temporary? Or did something click for you, and this was what you wanted to do forever?
Kaitlyn:
I think something clicked in me, but at the same time, I still have that desire to also write and to also do screenwriting in the future. I always felt like as a kid I’ve had been multi passionate, I’ve dabbled in photography and painting and drawing and writing. And so, you know how people say pick one thing and focus on that? So having to do that, I feel like… It’s getting harder for me as I get older because I’m just like, well, there are so many things I want to do. Life is a gift, time could be short. You never know. So I’m now getting back into that point where maybe writing is something that I want to do as well, not necessarily screenwriter, but I would also love to write a book and get that adapted into a TV show. So more of that route. So I guess something did click, but I also feel like it’s still there. So I feel like both are true.
Jessmyn:
Oh, I love that because I’ve done like so many of these episodes now, and when you talk about how your story led you here, a lot of it is, I wasn’t meant to do what I was doing and this is what I’m meant to do, but this is a different perspective of, actually that I think I could do all of it. It’s just not the right timing. Yeah.
Kaitlyn:
That’s definitely where I feel like where I’m at right now because when I look at the plans that I have in the future and the plans that I have for these next few months, they all look different. For some reason, I plan my years out or my life out by 20s, 30s, 40s, are going to look very different. And I don’t know why I do that because I don’t know why, but it’s just to me, 30s looks completely different than what 20s looks like. And everything is all of my different passions are coming in later in life as I go throughout life, I guess.
Jessmyn:
I like that. It’s very open-minded.
Kaitlyn:
Yeah.
Jessmyn:
I’m a planner myself. So in my head I’m always like, my life has to go like this. By 30, I need to be here. By 35, I need to be there and I always have just take a step back and just, life doesn’t always happen the way you think it’s going to happen.
Kaitlyn:
Yeah. That is so true. It really doesn’t. How I plan to do screenwriting, I did not plan to have a business so young. So it really just comes at you. I feel like as it comes at you, but I feel like when that happens, it’s just, that’s where you’re supposed to be, even if you didn’t plan it.
Jessmyn:
Right. So it’s tell me a little bit about finding your essence. So you help other entrepreneurs do that, but do you feel like you were able to do that within yourself and in your own business before you were able to make it a service?
Kaitlyn:
That’s a really good question. I feel I’m finding my essence the most this year because as you know, people change, their I help statement and their bios to figure out what it is they want to say. And so, I feel like this year I really tapped into mine and I was able to figure out what my innate expertise was and what my essence is. So I feel like now, and I’m at the point where I can say yes, which is why before I didn’t have this as a service, because I wasn’t sure. I probably wouldn’t have even been sure if I said that and heard this a year ago, what I meant by it. So I feel like in this moment now, I have it, I’ve tapped into it, but I’m still exploring more and learning what it looks like. But I feel like at the core, I have a pretty good idea.
Jessmyn:
Oh, I love that. I always find it interesting when coaches and consultants online have a really specific service or this is the core of their business. And I always love hearing, is this something you also do for yourself? So tell me a little bit more about that. Is this something that you think might change over time or is this something that you think is like, okay, this is pretty true to who you are in general? And maybe other things change or other things play a factor in it, but this always stays the same.
Kaitlyn:
As it relates to my essence?
Jessmyn:
Yeah.
Kaitlyn:
Sure. So I feel like it’s something that’s going to stay the same because I feel like maybe since second grade I’ve always been creative. I’ve always been into art. I’ve always gravitated towards English, not the sciences and the maths. And so, I feel like that’s something that’s always been a thing. And so, I don’t feel like there’s going to be much change as it relates to that because I feel like I’ll just get deeper into certain things that I like and things that I enjoy. And I feel like I know I’m still young, but I still feel like I have a pretty good idea of who I am as a person. And I feel like we all have these innate traits or qualities or some might say it’s nature/nurture, but I feel like we all have these innate things that essentially stick with us. So I feel like I’ll evolve as time goes on, but I feel like everything will remain the same, but it’ll just maybe look different, if that answers your question.
Jessmyn:
It does. And I think that was very well put as well. Something that I thought of as you were talking earlier was you mentioned that you just fell into social media. You decided to start this as a job or a business because you had that experience in college as an intern. So how did that feel? You’re like okay, well I need something in the meantime until I figure out what I’m doing, I’m going to do this, but how did you actually go from having this idea because this is your background, to actually executing and getting it live and running?
Kaitlyn:
Yeah. So this is when I was living at home with my mom and dad, and my mom’s very much a numbers person. So I was like, “Hey, I want to do this, but I don’t even know what a service looks like. I don’t know how to charge for this. I can just tell you what I would do and maybe you can help me figure out pricing”. So I went to my mom and she essentially helped me figure it out, the structure, the pricing. And then I was like, okay, well obviously I need a website. Obviously, I need a logo. At the time, I thought those were core things that I needed. And then I was like, well, I didn’t necessarily know how to put myself out there on Instagram or on Facebook. So I did freelancing websites. I did Upwork, I did Fiverr, I did freelancer, so just things like that.
So I started there and then I started out taking really low paying jobs just to get my name out there, get my experience out there. And so, I would build up my Upwork profile and then as time goes on and time goes on, I would get more clients. There was actually people on Indeed looking for social media interns. So I would do that as well, essentially whatever I could get my hands on and start this, I would do. And sometimes, people would already have their rates discussed or I would go to my mom and say, “Okay, well this is the rate. This is what I can do”. I would offer people this price for this service or this service for this price. So I really started with Upwork and Indeed, and just really figuring it out step by step.
Not really having a plan, really just moving because I’m a very go with the flow person. And I try to plan very loosely. So I feel like I did things and then they worked out because I was able to get clients from it. And then I learned from that experience and then from there I was like okay, well maybe I’m not really feeling this as much as I should be feeling it. So I think I just took a lot of messy action and just did things because I’m a huge believer in messy action because if I feel like if you try to plan, plan, plan, plan, you’ll probably never execute. So I feel like maybe plan that a little bit, get an idea, then execute, then clean up a little bit later if you have to.
Jessmyn:
Oh I love the way you put that. Messy action. No, that’s awesome because when you talk to people who start their own business online and especially on social media, you always get the clean cut version, right? Of I had this business idea, I didn’t know what I was going to do, but I got it started and I did it. And I think it does happen that way for a lot of people, but we miss the smaller parts in between. People don’t always talk about, maybe they used to work somewhere else and this was after work, like a side hustle. But in your case, you also had this as a core business, but you were like, I need the experience so I’m going to work here and I’m going to try this and I’m going to try that. And I think that’s very interesting and I love the way you put it as messy action because I think nothing’s perfect. Nothing ever happens perfectly. So you have to put yourself out there and you have to go try things, otherwise you’re just in the same place.
Kaitlyn:
Yeah. And I think that’s the scariest part is being in the same place, which is why I’m a huge believer in putting yourself out there, because it does take time and it is hard, but I feel like it always moves you steps forward. Even if it’s not your best photo or your best foot forward, it’s a foot forward. And maybe it may not be in the right direction, but I feel like it can help you get to the direction you’re supposed to be in. So I feel like action, just taking action is really just the thing to help you not be stagnant and not to be stuck as well.
Jessmyn:
Right. And I know you mentioned that you’re younger and if you don’t mind me asking, how old are you?
Kaitlyn:
I’m 25.
Jessmyn:
Oh, okay. I thought you were maybe thought you were like 18 or something.
Kaitlyn:
Oh, no.
Jessmyn:
But pretty much what I was as about that was just 25 is still young. I feel like when you start a business, a lot of people have an experience. They’re like, oh, I did start in corporate. I was there for a few years and I realized this isn’t what I wanted to do. But being younger and maybe not having a backbone of finances, you weren’t able to maybe save money the same way other entrepreneurs were, do you feel like that helped you take messy action? Or was it the reason why you took messy action? Tell me a little bit more about that.
Kaitlyn:
I definitely think that was a huge factor because I’ve been fortunate enough to… I don’t live with my parents anymore, but at the time I’ve been fortunate enough to live with them, to where I had just graduated college and I was 21 when I started. So I feel like they were able to be that support system that I needed to get my feet off the ground. So I feel like not everybody has that opportunity, but I feel like since I did and I had a supportive mom, that I was able to really just do things and just figure it out later. So I definitely think that played a huge role because after I graduated college, I didn’t even plan to go home. I planned to get my own apartment. I had planned to live somewhere else and none of that happened.
And so, I moved home and I lived there for a year and I was just trying to figure things out. And I feel like, well now I live in California and I don’t live with my parents anymore, but I’m still in a place where I was able to use what I learned then to be able to help me now. So I do feel like I was able to save because at home I didn’t have to pay rent. I lived with my mom and dad. So it was just like, I could do things that other people who may not have that situation can do, but I definitely think it contributed to why I was able to, I guess, move the way I did.
Jessmyn:
Right. And as you were trying to get your feet wet, you were doing different jobs, trying to get your experience out there. Did you ever feel like this is way too much work, I’m over it?
Kaitlyn:
I did feel like that. And there are times where I do feel like that even to this day. I feel like having a business is, I think it’s hard. And for me, I’m one of the first people in my family to have a business. Being from Maryland, most people work for the government and they take more so traditional approach to working. And so I feel like I was learning something new. I was essentially a trailblazer, I’m paving the way, I’m trying to figure it out. So I feel like I had no one to turn to in a sense. And I felt like there was no one I could look at and ask like, “Hey, how did you do that?” Because that just wasn’t what I saw within my family. So I feel like, I also forgot your question, but I do feel like yes, to answer it.
Jessmyn:
The answer was if you’re ever like, oh I’m over it.
Kaitlyn:
Yeah, I do feel like that sometimes. I definitely did feel like that just because there’s no roadmap, there’s no blueprint to entrepreneurship. You can follow someone’s direct path, but it doesn’t mean your result is going to be the same.
Jessmyn:
Right.
Kaitlyn:
So it’s just like, everybody’s path looks different. So I felt like sometimes when you are new and you are starting out, you put in so much work and maybe you plant the seed, but you don’t necessarily see your fruit yet. And sometimes you put in work and you don’t see any results. And you’re like, well, do I even keep going? Is this even working? Maybe if you pray, you look for signs, maybe if you’re spiritual, you look for a different size. Maybe you just look for things to say like, am not on the right path? Is this working? And sometimes, you may not see them. And so, I feel like it’s harder in my opinion to keep going. And I feel like it’s easier to quit, but I feel like I always think of, what if you quit and then the next day was your breakthrough? And then you just completely stopped. And then you never know how life could have happened for you.
Jessmyn:
Yeah. Oh, I love that. I love that. And I find it super interesting how you mentioned that in Maryland, people generally get more traditional jobs or they’re in the government. So for you to go into entrepreneurship, you are just like, oh, I have the internet. That’s great. But I don’t know these people, I’m just reading things. I don’t know how to actually do it. And like you said, there’s no blueprint. I guess, what was the mindset that you had to have as you were in this space of, this is something that I want to do? I do feel like quitting, but I don’t have an actual person to look to or to ask how to do this or what’s the right way or what’s the good next step?
Kaitlyn:
Right. I like that question. So I feel like my mindset, I feel like I try to look at life with the glass half full. We’re blessed, we have life, we see things, we can hear, those people that can, and I don’t know. I feel like life is such a blessing. And just even seeing another day, I feel like it means your purpose isn’t complete. So I try to look at gratitude for my life and see okay, why I might not have all these things, but I do have these things? I’m healthy and I have health insurance and those are blessings because not everybody has that. So I try to look at that. I also do a lot of meditation and visualization, so I feel like the mindset is also trying to visualize myself in the next place as well. Trying to figure out where can I see myself, but then also I journal a lot to get my feelings out.
So I feel like a lot of my mindset is to work on myself and trying to figure out okay, if I can’t change this thing, how can I reframe my opinion around it? How can I look at it differently and see it as more of an opportunity, as more of a gift, more as a blessing, rather than it being a failure or a loss? So I feel like the mindset that I have to have for entrepreneurship, I feel like is just reframing, trying to find the positive, trying to find the good in every single thing and then just taking things day by a day. I feel like it’s harder, it’s easier said than done. It’s very hard to do because sometimes if you’re not feeling where you are in that season, maybe you can’t see the next season because you’re like, well, this season is so hard. I don’t know if I can make it. So I feel like it’s really just thinking about things differently and choosing to have a different perspective. I feel like that’s the mindset that I had and that’s also the mindset that I have now as well.
Jessmyn:
That’s great. And I picked out how you said choosing to stay positive, choosing to have a better mindset because at the end of the day, it is a choice, right? Yeah, if you’re experiencing burnout or it’s not going the way you thought it was, you still have a choice of okay, either I could give into this and quit, I guess, for an easier word or lack of a better term, or you could just choose to keep going and try to figure out what that next step is. I love that. Oh, that’s so good. That’s so good. Are you sure you’re only 25? No, it’s so wise, but I think that’s great.
Kaitlyn:
Yeah. I don’t know. I feel like it is a choice sometimes. I feel like it’s a hard choice to do, but I think it’s definitely more of a worthy, hardy, rewarding. It’s extremely hard if you see yourself somewhere else and you’re in the net, I feel like it is hard to appreciate that part of your journey and appreciate that part of the process where things may be hard, it may be rough. It’s like something I have to do every single day to tell myself, because I feel like sometimes if I miss a day with the gratitude or I miss a day with meditation, I feel like I can fall back into not choosing and to see things in different ways. So I feel like it’s something that I personally have to actively do every single day just to want to keep going sometimes.
Jessmyn:
Right, I feel that. Something came to mind as you were speaking. So I remember earlier you had mentioned you like dabbling into different things, as you always felt like you didn’t want to tie yourself to one specific part of your life, whether that be writing or your business and so on. So I guess my question in that respect is really just, how do you view your business? How do you view writing in general? Are these more of hey, this is a career, this is a purpose? Or is it something more of do you differentiate, like right now, this is my career and purpose, but this other thing is a hobby and that could change over time? How do you view that?
Kaitlyn:
I feel like everything is a purpose, but I do feel like certain things are careers and certain things are hobbies. So I feel like my business now and in being a brand strategy and web designer, I view that as a career and I’m actually starting to put myself out there more [inaudible 00:22:37]. I want to start a blog at the end of the year. And I feel like when I think about that, I think of it as a hobby. And I guess I think of it as a hobby because it’s so new and because I’ve been doing this brand and web for so long, but I don’t see that per se as a career, even though I feel like it is. I don’t see it as that. So I feel like I do have this distinction, but I feel like at the end of it all, or I feel like at the center of it all, rather, it’s all purpose.
I feel like each of these things are my purpose and I’m pursuing them, but I feel like sometimes they have to… Sometimes one thing has to take a back burner for me personally, because I feel like I can get too focused on this, then I can lose focus on that. So I feel like I really need to focus on one thing, get that in order, and then focus on the next thing. So I feel like maybe as I get one thing more together, the next thing will come together and then I’ll view it as a career. But I definitely think the thing that I’m focused on the most, I would view as a career and then other things as a hobby. I don’t know why. I’ve never thought about that.
Jessmyn:
Well, I just find it so interesting because I think it’s been happening for me more recently just on Instagram. And now that I’m talking to more entrepreneurs through this podcast, I’m following a lot more entrepreneurs on Instagram, Twitter and so on. But I’m seeing a lot of how… I’m thinking of a specific meme and I know I’ve mentioned it on the podcast before, but I can’t remember the exact words, but it was something about like, left my nine to five job to have more flexibility and freedom, but then started my own business and work 24/7.
Kaitlyn:
I know exactly what you’re talking about.
Jessmyn:
Yeah. You’ve probably seen it, but that’s something that I thought of because I love that you keep an open mind and you’re just ready to take on whatever comes next. But I was just super curious about at what point do you decide, this is something that I want to pursue because I feel like it’s a purpose? This is what I want to have in my life versus this is something that I like to do and it’s just supposed to be enjoyable?
Kaitlyn:
I feel like purpose comes in when I feel like I’m always like, oh, I should do that. Oh, I should do that. I feel like if I’m consistently saying I should do that, I should do that, I feel like that’s when it’s that’s time, because I feel like for me, when it comes to writing, I haven’t really written a lot in the past two years since I’ve started my business because I’m like, okay, I have to focus on this. And so I feel like the more conversations that I have with people, the more I feel like part of my purpose is to connect with others. And part of my purpose is to share my story. So I feel like anytime I have a really good conversation, I’m like, oh, I need to talk about that and share that with other people.
If I say that more than once, I’m like okay, well I feel like this may be a nudge to do it. So I feel like if it’s just something that keeps coming up over and over again, I feel like I should do it. And then I also feel like, the way I think about it is since I do have plans for 20s, 30s, 40s I feel like part of it is just also I don’t want to wait. I guess I don’t want to wait sometimes. I feel like this is too good to not pursue right now. And the things that I want to talk about. I feel like they’re relevant topics. And I do feel like part of my purpose in life is just to connect with people, to help other people, to share my story and at the core, to really be like a storyteller and someone that just is vulnerable and transparent with the world and tells my experiences with the hopes that it can help somebody else or with the hopes, it can spark a conversation so other people know hey, this is me too.
So I don’t know. I guess I would say that it’s divine timing, that things just happen as they naturally do and as they naturally unfold, but I do feel like I get nudges and different ideas and I feel like they come up at the right time. So I think it’s really just, I guess I’ll say I’ll leave it up to divine timing, rather.
Jessmyn:
Yeah. And it sounds like you are good at listening to your intuition of like you said, maybe it’s a nudge, maybe it’s divine timing, but you still could just be like, I hear you, all right and continue on with whatever you’re doing, right? But you’re good at listening to what that intuition is and what that nudge is actually telling you when you go for it. I love that.
Kaitlyn:
Yeah. I definitely think so. Thank you.
Jessmyn:
I love it because… I don’t know. I’m the type of person where sure, I totally get what you mean by nudge. I’ve had those myself, but I’m always like, I don’t know. I don’t know if I want to do that and I need to take some notes on this episode right now, because I love that you do that. I think that’s great. So as you’re moving through this season, you know that right now you’re helping people figure their brand strategy through their essence. How much of that is actual helping them build their business, build their design and so on? Versus, actually tapping into what that essence is and trying to pull that out of somebody?
Kaitlyn:
That’s a really good question. I think it’s… Well okay, since it’s more so branding, I look at it as, how can I help them build a community of people that support them, who they also support? And then I also look at it as, how can I help them to tell the stories that they need to tell, to build connections? So I feel like a lot of it is always going back to more so attraction than it is… I guess attraction and business building could be in the same thing. But I feel like since I’m not a business coach, I look at it as more so, what can we say to attract these people? What can we say to make them feel invited so they want to enter your world? What can we say to make them feel comfortable, make them feel seen, heard, and understood?
I personally wouldn’t call it building. I feel like it’s building a brand, but I wouldn’t contribute it to building a business, even though it’s very similar, I feel more so… I don’t know. I just look at it very different. So I feel like part of it is helping them to understand these are the things that you need to know about yourself, these things you should be saying if you want to tell a story about your life to connect with others, you should. And I feel like all of that is really just to help them to get a better understanding of who they are, but also, so they can show up exactly how it is they need to show up. So that’s telling stories, like what are the things that you need to… I’d say unlearn, what are the things you need to learn?
So you can do things differently, because I always say I want people to have a mindset shift as well. I don’t want to necessarily help people build a brand or help them with their business, and then their mindset doesn’t shift as well, because I’m like, I want you to be able to do different things that you weren’t doing before because you have this new brand and because you feel more confident, because you feel more comfortable and more empowered. So I feel like I want it to be both. I’m not even sure if I answered your question, but that-
Jessmyn:
You did.
Kaitlyn:
Okay.
Jessmyn:
You did, and it sounded so good. I get that. I love that. Well, we are closing up on time Kaitlyn. Thank you so much for being on our show today.
Kaitlyn:
Thank you.
Jessmyn:
So I have two questions to close out if you’re up for it.
Kaitlyn:
Yeah, of course. I am.
Jessmyn:
So second to last question, what are three things that most people would not know about you?
Kaitlyn:
Okay. I feel like the first thing is something that I just always share with people because I feel people are like what? But growing up, I used to share a cat with my neighbor. So I’ll start with that one. I guess the second thing is something that I really love, which I feel like people may find a little strange. I really love salmon skin. I don’t know why.
Jessmyn:
I like salmon skin too.
Kaitlyn:
Okay, yeah.
Jessmyn:
Yeah. I hear you on that one. My fiance hates it. Every time we cook salmon and it has the skin on it, I know sometimes if you buy it, it’s not there. He never eats it. And I’m like, do you want that? Because I’ll have it.
Kaitlyn:
Yeah. I save it for last because I’m like, this is the best part. So I don’t know, I really love salmon. And then the third thing, I guess… I don’t know. I feel like I’m really focused on two, three. I don’t really know a third thing. Let’s see, I guess I don’t know how to drive. I feel like that’s something most people don’t know about me, that I don’t have a license. I feel like that’s something only close friends and family know, but I feel like now the world going to know that.
Jessmyn:
But you said though, right? That you didn’t really drive in Maryland because it snowed. Didn’t you say that earlier?
Kaitlyn:
Oh, so I went to school in DC and that’s very a metropolitan area. So I was on the Metro and then driving, since I moved back home, it was like, okay then I need a car, but it was snowing and I really don’t like the cold. So it was more so me not wanting to go out in the cold to take the bus, to take the Metro.
Jessmyn:
Makes sense.
Kaitlyn:
Yeah.
Jessmyn:
Yeah, I used to live in San Francisco. I went to college out there and you really don’t need a car there. Honestly, if you have a car it’s actually worse for you because there’s never parking. You have to pay for parking everywhere. And the train and bus is just so accessible. But I ended up, after my time there, I was like, I don’t want to go back to the city because I miss having parking space and I want a car. I just like the freedom of, of driving wherever I need to go. And then, not having to wait 20 minutes for the next bus to come.
Kaitlyn:
Yeah.
Jessmyn:
It’s a lot. So last question for you, if you could give yourself a single piece of advice at the start of it all, what would it be?
Kaitlyn:
That it’s not going to look like, what you think is going to look like, but to keep going anyway, because it’ll probably be better than what you thought it would be.
Jessmyn:
Oh, I love that.
Kaitlyn:
Yeah, I think that’s probably what I give myself today and back then, so yeah.
Jessmyn:
I love that. And it coincides with… I know you talked a lot about visualization, so I love it. Well, thank you again before I do forget, can you please let everyone know where they can find you online?
Kaitlyn:
Yes. Okay. So everything is the same for Instagram, Facebook, my website. So it’s Four Wall Studio, F-O-U-R W-A-L-L and then studio. So that’s where you can find me on all three.
Jessmyn:
Love it. Well guys, we will also put that in the show notes per usual, so you can click in it there and then we will see you next time. Bye.
Kaitlyn:
Thank you.